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10-06-2011, 11:09 AM
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I'd have a hard time building a package around Gunnarsson or Franson for Gagner. I don't think it would be impossible, I just don't see what the Leafs can add. Maybe Gagner, Chorney and Plante for Gunnar, Franson and a pick? I dunno, but I don't see much for options. We know that Edmonton would prefer a Schenn type, and we also no that Burke wouldn't trade Schenn for Gagner, ever.
This is very true, also, Gunner and Franson are both on our roster so while the Leafs can move 1 D-man, not 2 unless 1 is Komi.

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I thought Burke wanted an impactful player with size?

Don't think Gagner falls under this category.
Every GM wants to pick up impact players with size. Which is why no GM's make them available. At this point, Burkie might just have to settle for whatever is best out there, and right now, if Gagner is available, that could be him.

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I'd have a hard time building a package around Gunnarsson or Franson for Gagner. I don't think it would be impossible, I just don't see what the Leafs can add. Maybe Gagner, Chorney and Plante for Gunnar, Franson and a pick? I dunno, but I don't see much for options. We know that Edmonton would prefer a Schenn type, and we also no that Burke wouldn't trade Schenn for Gagner, ever.
No way your getting Schenn for Gagner, just like were probably not getting Gagner for Gunnarsson.

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Bozak is going to be very good this year.
Even if he is good this year we have no room, we need to lose a center and not take one back to help clear the log jam. Taking back Bozak doesn't solve anything for us.

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I think a Gunnarsson for Gagner swap would be pretty fair.
Would you do that if you were an Edmonton fan?

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No way your getting Schenn for Gagner, just like were probably not getting Gagner for Gunnarsson.
That's what I said....

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Where does Gagner fit on the Leafs?
Connolly
Grabovky
Bozak
Steckel/Dupuis

Yeah Connolly is injured already, but where would Gagner fit when Connolly comes back? Unless Bozak is being traded/demoted it doesn't really make sense.
Gagner is also a RFA after this season.

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10-06-2011, 11:12 AM
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Gunnarsson for Gagner straight up is about as fair as Gagner for Schenn straight up. Basically, its not.
Gunnarsson is a great defenseman. If he adds a bit more consistency to his game he could be a solid top 4 option for any team. Since he stepped into the league he has been one of the best defensemen on the Leafs, and at times the very best.

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Where does Gagner fit on the Leafs?
Connolly
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Bozak
Steckel/Dupuis

Yeah Connolly is injured already, but where would Gagner fit when Connolly comes back? Unless Bozak is being traded/demoted it doesn't really make sense.
Gagner is also a RFA after this season.
Gagner has also played wing for what its worth. And who cares if he's an RFA after this year. That still makes him Leaf property.

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I dont see a deal. Leaf's will want to give up Gunnarson, Oilers will want Schenn. I dont think either team will want to back down and I dont think you can balance out the deal with depth.
I think every GM in the league knows you can't get Schenn unless you want to over pay. If we didn't have Dion, Schenn would be captain.

Can't say I've seen Gagner play very much outside of his rookie year and the WJC, but from his stats it looks like he's stagnating in Edmonton, especially with all the kids coming in and (seemingly) outperforming him. Looks like the kid might need a change of scenery to grow to his potential.

Edmonton and Toronto do look like good trading partners as another poster mentioned. If I was Edmonton, I'd want one of Franson, Aulie or Gunnarsson. Each offers different dynamics, but Gunnar is the best all around defensemen of the trio. As mentioned, there's going to need to be a kicker as well... the obvious name is Bozak, but Lombardi could be had? I think Burke would veto a trade involving Lombardi for human reasons (just got settled, recovering from concussion etc.).

Even though they're not sexy, I think a 2nd would have to be tossed in too.

So best case: Gunnarsson + Lombardi + 2nd.
Looks like a fleecing by Edmonton

From a Leafs standpoint, its gotta be Gunnar + Bozak + 2nd as the highest we'd go.

But then again I'm an arm-chair GM. Flame away.

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Even if he is good this year we have no room, we need to lose a center and not take one back to help clear the log jam. Taking back Bozak doesn't solve anything for us.
We have a log jam at centre too, actually almost at every position. Our problem is its more grinders/faceoff specialists or some other random "talents', and we need big skilled bodies. Honestly Gagner's not too much of an upgrade from Connoly besides age wise

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im not especially worried.

gagner would help but he isnt a center burke is going to break the bank on.

even if a deal was worked out where would he play?

which center do you plug him in for?

kulemin grabs mac
lupul connolly kessel
kadri/frattin/bozak/armstrong/lombardi
brown/dupuis/steckel/rosehill/orr

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I think a Gunnarsson for Gagner swap would be pretty fair.
Considering that edmonton has zip on defence, then yeah...

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I guess I missed the part where Sam Gagner became good. Four years in the league and he hasn't even sniffed 50 points since year 1.

Not alot of points, not physical, +/- getting steadily worse. What kind of value do Oilers fans think he has at this point? After 4 years the upside argument starts to go out the window.

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10-06-2011, 11:18 AM
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im not especially worried.

gagner would help but he isnt a center burke is going to break the bank on.

even if a deal was worked out where would he play?

which center do you plug him in for?

kulemin grabs mac
lupul connolly kessel
kadri/frattin/bozak/armstrong/lombardi
brown/dupuis/steckel/rosehill/orr
Frattin isn't a center, and Lombardi is built more for a winger, with his speed

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Considering that edmonton has zip on defence, then yeah...
What about them having no top six centers that aren't rookies? Kind of adds to the "keep Gagner" logic, and his value to Edmonton as a result.

Edmonton doesn't need more depth defensemen, they need a d-man that Gagner wouldn't bring in trade.

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Both Gagner and Gunnar are overrated by their fans. Gunnar is definitely an upgrade over Barker or Peckham, but not enough to warrant giving up Gagner either.

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Considering that edmonton has zip on defence, then yeah...
That has nothing to do with the value of the trade.

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I guess I missed the part where Sam Gagner became good. Four years in the league and he hasn't even sniffed 50 points since year 1.

Not alot of points, not physical, +/- getting steadily worse. What kind of value do Oilers fans think he has at this point? After 4 years the upside argument starts to go out the window.
He has been injured a lot and 42 points in 68 games is pretty good for a 21 year old (Kadri's age this year), plus had he played all 82 he was on pace for 51. He's still young and may have been rushed into the NHL, we definitely have not seen his full potential yet

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Gagner has also played wing for what its worth. And who cares if he's an RFA after this year. That still makes him Leaf property.
Wings are already full
Lupul-Kessel
Mac-Kule
Frattin-Armstrong
Orr-Brown

Well he'd probably be looking for a pay increase. Kulemin, Grabovsky, Liles and Franson are going to need new contracts with only 14 mil to sign them (how much higher can the cap actually go?)
The Leafs also have a bunch of middle of the pack players. They need an impact player. Not another 40 point guy.

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I guess I missed the part where Sam Gagner became good. Four years in the league and he hasn't even sniffed 50 points since year 1.

Not alot of points, not physical, +/- getting steadily worse. What kind of value do Oilers fans think he has at this point? After 4 years the upside argument starts to go out the window.
Sounds like you missed last season to me.

His plus minus has gotten worse because he went from being on a bad team to the worst team in the league. Goals against on the team jumped, goals for dropped. Of course his plus/minus was worse. And he had his most consistent season last year before his wrist got cut by a skate. Plus he's only 22, not done developing at all. Its great to see that you can read a stat sheet, but it certainly doesn't replace watching a player and analyzing.

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I think people underrate Gunnarsson. He's a pretty decent defenseman and he's working his way to being a consistent top 4 guy. He doesn't have much flash in his game and he's not going to put up good offensive numbers but he's capable of eating a lot of minutes while playing mistake-free hockey. Again, he won't "wow" you but he'll play a simple yet solid game.

I'd have to think a center would be going back to Edmonton and Bozak makes the most sense. Maybe something like Gunnarsson + Bozak for Gagner or Gunnarsson + Bozak + for Gagner +.

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What about them having no top six centers that aren't rookies? Kind of adds to the "keep Gagner" logic, and his value to Edmonton as a result.

Edmonton doesn't need more depth defensemen, they need a d-man that Gagner wouldn't bring in trade.
Gagner played 3rd line last season...

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Gagner isn't a right fit in Toronto. There is no sense in acquiring someone that we already have on our team (Bozak, Steckl).

Edmonton should look too somoene that has enough emerging proven defensemen like Washington, that could spare another up and coming blueliner.

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Gagner played 3rd line last season...
Wrong.

Horcoff
Gagner
Cogliano
Fraser

And this year, it will likely end up

RNH
Gagner
Horcoff
Belanger

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