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10-06-2011, 10:58 AM
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Its not that its Gunnar per se. Its that the Oilers need more value if they are moving their best (second best at worst) center. Another 4/5/6 d-man isn't exactly what the Oil needs, we have a lot of those. Maybe a Gagner, Chorney and Plante for Aulie and Franson type deal would work, but even that I don't see Edmonton being overly excited about, it just doesn't fit the team needs.
http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...1/splits/2011/

Carl isn't a 4/5/6 defenceman in my mind and here's my proof of this. Take a look at his splits. Sure, he started the season on the bottom pairing, but look at his ice post all star break and the last two months. I think that speaks for itself that he can handle 20 minutes a game very well. He's a very solid all around defenceman, he's not a top 2 guy right now, but he very well could be one, and at the very least could be a very good minute eater in the near future. There were many times last season I looked at box scores to see Gunnarsson at or over 20 minutes and being kind of surprised he played 20 minutes. And thats who he is, a defenceman who can play 20 minutes and you don't really notice too much. For his style of play, that's a good thing because he's not making mistakes.

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is he not a bottom pairing D for TOR?
Will he not see some PB time this season?
Gunnar is actually on our top pairing with Phaneuf

Phaneuf - Gunnarson
Schenn - Liles
Komisarek - Gardiner
Franson

With Aulie in the AHL

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10-06-2011, 10:59 AM
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Gunnarsson + Bozak for Gagner

Gunnarsson + Bozak for Turris

burke is trying for one of the above

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10-06-2011, 11:00 AM
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Gagner + a rental in Hemsky is worth Schenn and a 2nd?...really?
i'm an Oilers fan and I even see how ridiculous that is. yah, ..it's trolling.
a rental in Hemsky would be worth a 1st+ to a playoffs team especially if they get a full seasons worth out of him instead of post trade deadline.

EDM would get much better return for trading the 2 seperately.

Hemsky+Gagner > Schenn + 2nd

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10-06-2011, 11:03 AM
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Gagner -- 291 GP, 59 G, 114A, 173 points.
Turris -- 131 GP, 19G, 27A, 46 points.

Suggesting they are the same stage seems a bit off, no?
No. Both are underperforming. Gagner has been a minus player his whole career and I watched him play a lot of junior games. He has skill but never gave me the impression he could never carry a team. I think he is a good player but he is not an impact player and really at this stage he is no better than a second line centre. We already have a good one. To throw another one into the mix and let him develop he would have to be cheap and have a higher ceiling. Gunnarson straight up is more than enough but Gunnarson as part of a package would net a better player. For you guys that never watched him play consistently he is solid but unspectacular and can move the puck but doesn't have the flash as a smooth skating Gardiner. If it wasn't for Komisarek, he, Aulie and Gardiner would all be on the ice on opening night.

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... if they get a full seasons worth out of him...
As if trading for him now guarantees that?

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I'd take Gagner. Still young but has a lot to prove. A change of scenery might work

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Gardiner or bust.
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I like Gunnarsson alot, but any leaf fan who thinks we are getting Gagner straight up for him have to be kidding themselves. Gagner has established himself as a solid #2 center IMO with potential to be a very GOOD #2 guy. Gunnarsson is a top 4 defenseman who plays a great all around game but the leafs would need to add to the pot to make this deal happen. Bozak isn't what Edmonton wants.

My guess.. Gunnarsson, one of Ross, Blackler, Biggs AND maybe even a draft choice.

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Gunnarsson + Bozak for Gagner

Gunnarsson + Bozak for Turris

burke is trying for one of the above
I don't see PHO needed d-men at this point and I don't know that Bozak fits in PHO.

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As if trading for him now guarantees that?
well by full hemsky season I meant 35games

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gagner is a 40 point centre. dont even want em. hes bozak minus defence
Yeah cuz Bozak is a 30 point center and a couple years older than Gagner.

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Gagner + a rental in Hemsky is worth Schenn and a 2nd?...really?
i'm an Oilers fan and I even see how ridiculous that is. yah, ..it's trolling.
No it's not, Schenn isn't even the best player in the deal at this point. Hemsky is, and there is no reason given a year that he couldn't be resigned. As someone said the other day the majority of the time the player resigns with his current team. Gagner really isn't that far off from Schenn. What has Schenn done that's so much more impressive? I agree Schenn is the most valuable but this isn't an insulting offer. Offering the 3rd-5th best forward from a still young draft class, and the 14th highest scoring winger(by ppg) since the lockout isn't trolling, it's an offer respectful of the fact Schenn has talent. And like i said Toronto could very well say no. I'm thinking you're going to be very disappointed with Schenns career, if thats what you find to be an offensive offer.

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10-06-2011, 11:07 AM
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No thx, don't need another center back especially AHL quality, we have that shelf in the cupboard stocked up.

Franson and a 1st for Gagner and a 2nd.
yeah we definately dont want mediocre forwards coming back, we already have too many bodies not enough spots, even with the injuries we have forwards on the farm that should be here

i like this deal seams fair

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I like Gunnarsson alot, but any leaf fan who thinks we are getting Gagner straight up for him have to be kidding themselves. Gagner has established himself as a solid #2 center IMO with potential to be a very GOOD #2 guy. Gunnarsson is a top 4 defenseman who plays a great all around game but the leafs would need to add to the pot to make this deal happen. Bozak isn't what Edmonton wants.

My guess.. Gunnarsson, one of Ross, Blackler, Biggs AND maybe even a draft choice.
I agree with most of what you say here, but the Oilers probably aren't looking for much in terms of prospects. We're already hugging the contract maximum, so if anything, we need to move out a prospect or two.

I still stand by my earlier proposal of Gagner and Chorney and/or Plante for Gunnarsson and Franson.

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Gunnarson's played one full season in the league, how is he better than Gilbert or Smid? I would take both of them over him at this point.
Actually 2... He missed time during his rookie season with injury..

Apparently I'm the only one, but I have no interest in this trade. Gagner is no use as a 3rd line centre and that's where he'd play at best... If Lombardi returns to form we have Gagner as the 4th.

I'll keep the top 4 d that's teams always have a use for.... And he's been paired with Phaneuf to start the season...... So thanks, but no thanks.

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10-06-2011, 11:08 AM
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So did Lebda, what's your point? Sam Gagner is a consistent 50 pts centre, surely the value is there, right?
The same way Kessel is a consistent 40 goal scorer? News flash, he hasn't reached 50 once in his career.

EDIT: I'm retarded. I see your point

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Dream on.
You know Gardiner was moved just like 6 months ago for a lesser player right? Not saying Toronto does it, but how is it unreasonable?

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10-06-2011, 11:09 AM
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Exactly. Franson is the 7th defenseman and will be up in the press box, Gunnarsson won't be. I think both Franson and Komisarek sit before Gunnarsson does.
Pretty much.

Our team D is ranked: Phaneuf-Schenn-Gunnarsson-Liles-Komi-Gardiner-Franson.

Gunnarsson is really good, he isn't flashy and doesn't do slick moves, but he gets the job done and that's whats the defense does, and not to mention he has a pretty good shot on the point on the powerplay.

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is he not a bottom pairing D for TOR?
Will he not see some PB time this season?
No he isn't, infact he is in the top pairing with Phaneuf this season.

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I'd take Gagner. Still young but has a lot to prove. A change of scenery might work
Gagner is no reclaimation project. He is a top 2C who will be a solid contributor to team for the next 10 yrs. He seemingly worked on his weaknesses during the summer and it showed in the preseason. He looked much faster and was great on the dot. Oilers would be stupid to trade him right now without seeing him in regular season action for atleast a couple months. Possibly premature to judge after 2 preseason games but he could break out this season.

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Gagner has more value than Gunnarsson IMO.

Maybe something like Gunnarsson, Bozak and Gustavsson for Gagner, Khabibulin (salary dump) and something else.

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I still stand by my earlier proposal of Gagner and Chorney and/or Plante for Gunnarsson and Franson.
this is decent as well, not sure toronto would want to move two guys though

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I agree with most of what you say here, but the Oilers probably aren't looking for much in terms of prospects. We're already hugging the contract maximum, so if anything, we need to move out a prospect or two.

I still stand by my earlier proposal of Gagner and Chorney and/or Plante for Gunnarsson and Franson.

Given your strength up front.... Blackler is probably a good defensive prospect that the Oilers might have interest in. He can probably step in next season and forecasts to be a McCabe type of defender (hopefully with less brainfarts) I think Franson is painfully over rated, BUT Burke just acquired him so I'm not sure they would be willing to move him without first giving him a look.

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is he not a bottom pairing D for TOR?
Will he not see some PB time this season?
Most likely not, he's easily top 4.

Whenever I read your user name it always seems to be in an Indian accent.

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