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11-04-2012, 06:41 PM
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He has to start thinking about his children & grandchildren & whether or not he'd like to play with them.

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11-04-2012, 06:49 PM
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Didn't see this coming.

I've alwas liked Rick. He really loves playing and wants to come back and prove he can still play. The truth is body isn't strong enough to continue. Can't help but to feel bad for him at this point. Something needs to be done about this.

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11-04-2012, 06:52 PM
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Just amazing...yup, maybe it is time to throw in the towel and move over to the broadcasting side. Can't see why he would though at this point he wants to make sure he gets paid and he didnt' force the Isles to offer him a big contract. With the chance of a buyout he'd be stupid to retire before he gets paid.
Yeah, that's the big issue. I haven't heard much about the mythical Amnesty Clause in the contentious CBA negotiation, but I hope Ricky and the Isles work something out. I mean seriously, it's not funny anymore no matter how you feel about Ricky.

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11-04-2012, 07:02 PM
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Just amazing...yup, maybe it is time to throw in the towel and move over to the broadcasting side. Can't see why he would though at this point he wants to make sure he gets paid and he didnt' force the Isles to offer him a big contract. With the chance of a buyout he'd be stupid to retire before he gets paid.
No doubt he wants his $, but I really don't believe that is what drives him. I think he believes somewhere deep down, he can still be that all star caliber goalie. I also think that he really does love the Isles & Charles Wang and wants to play well for them. Sure the $ is great too, but I don't think that's what keeps him from hanging them up.

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11-04-2012, 07:47 PM
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In theory, the Isles can suspend him and maybe even void his contract for this.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=408578

"Section 14 of the SPC provides that a team may terminate a player's contract if the player shall "fail, refuse or neglect to render his services hereunder or in any other manner materially breach" his contract.

So if a player suffers a career ending injury while playing abroad and that player therefore fails to deliver his services, a team could rely on Section 14 to cut him (or terminate his contract). If the team successfully terminates the contract, it wouldn't have to pay out what's left on the player's contract.

What if a player gets hurt playing overseas and misses some of the NHL season but is ultimately able to come back and play? In keeping with Section 5 of the SPC, a team can suspend him without pay until he's ready to play."

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In theory, the Isles can suspend him and maybe even void his contract for this.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=408578

"Section 14 of the SPC provides that a team may terminate a player's contract if the player shall "fail, refuse or neglect to render his services hereunder or in any other manner materially breach" his contract.

So if a player suffers a career ending injury while playing abroad and that player therefore fails to deliver his services, a team could rely on Section 14 to cut him (or terminate his contract). If the team successfully terminates the contract, it wouldn't have to pay out what's left on the player's contract.

What if a player gets hurt playing overseas and misses some of the NHL season but is ultimately able to come back and play? In keeping with Section 5 of the SPC, a team can suspend him without pay until he's ready to play."
You're kidding yourself if you think Wang would ever do that to Ricky.

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11-04-2012, 08:13 PM
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He has to start thinking about his children & grandchildren & whether or not he'd like to play with them.
Play?
How about just walk with them?

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11-04-2012, 09:26 PM
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Oh lord, like this was unexpected. I've never questioned Ricky's desire and dedication to the Isles, but for his own good... hang the skates up man. If nothing more than for your future quality of life. It's a really sad situation all around.
It really is like Groundhog Day with Ricky. If this really is a new era in Isles history they MUST do something about getting rid of him.

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11-04-2012, 09:57 PM
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In theory, the Isles can suspend him and maybe even void his contract for this.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=408578

"Section 14 of the SPC provides that a team may terminate a player's contract if the player shall "fail, refuse or neglect to render his services hereunder or in any other manner materially breach" his contract.

So if a player suffers a career ending injury while playing abroad and that player therefore fails to deliver his services, a team could rely on Section 14 to cut him (or terminate his contract). If the team successfully terminates the contract, it wouldn't have to pay out what's left on the player's contract.

What if a player gets hurt playing overseas and misses some of the NHL season but is ultimately able to come back and play? In keeping with Section 5 of the SPC, a team can suspend him without pay until he's ready to play."
Yeah, this isn't going to happen at this stage in the game but at some point Isles management is going to get just as frustrated as some of the fans here. I mean Shawn Bates was on the roster for a few years getting paid and not playing before he finally hung them up. DP is going to have to make a decision at some point or things will definitely get contentious between him and management. I know from a business stand point they respect him trying to get better and play for the team but getting injured often will start to make even your work ethic come into question. I would never doubt his work ethic but it is just human nature.

Imagine the office worker who has to get chemo and misses a lot of work. You know it's not their fault they have cancer but after awhile them not being around enough will weigh on your humanity and you may start to resent the person even though they did nothing wrong. It's different in hockey though as his teammates are not relying on him as much like they would in an office where somebody has to do your job. In hockey these guys are chomping at the bit to do somebody else's job. Wish there was more of an update on how serious it is but nobody ever judges that with a groin injury...

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11-05-2012, 01:07 AM
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Brutal. Gotta' feel bad for Ricky but I think this is the breaking point, I just hope something is worked out so we don't have to end up paying him 2 million on our cap for the next 20 years or so.

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11-05-2012, 06:28 AM
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You're kidding yourself if you think Wang would ever do that to Ricky.
I wouldn't say never. Rick's already made 20+M from Wang and will be OK. Wang's a business guy and he gets the contract is not great, I'm sure. He allowed Yashin to be bought out.

It's one thing to force him to be played because you're stuck paying him. It's another thing to pay a guy 40M (or whatever he's got left) to not play just because he's your 'pal' when you have an out.

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11-05-2012, 06:31 AM
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Imagine the office worker who has to get chemo and misses a lot of work. You know it's not their fault they have cancer but after awhile them not being around enough will weigh on your humanity and you may start to resent the person even though they did nothing wrong. It's different in hockey though as his teammates are not relying on him as much like they would in an office where somebody has to do your job. In hockey these guys are chomping at the bit to do somebody else's job. Wish there was more of an update on how serious it is but nobody ever judges that with a groin injury...
The other dif in your analogy is the office worker likely needs to work, esp if he has a lot of medical bills. DP has already made ~20M off his deal and will never need to work again in his life. Voiding his deal isn't going to create an undue hardship in his life.

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11-05-2012, 09:09 AM
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what a unique situation this kid is in. It's astounding the amount of, and severity of, setbacks this guy's enduring and to get hurt, during a lockout, while playing men's league level hockey in Germany is picture-perfect.

There have been far better players than DiPietro retire with far fewer medical issues....but none had the lifetime contract.

I'm in favour of shorter contracts in the NHL, generally speaking. I think it's good for the players and the owners, though a tough one to negotiate on and define, I suppose.

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11-05-2012, 09:17 AM
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this is chronically sad.
sad for dp- please just hang em up man. you cannot play "semi-pro" hockey, let alone nhl hockey. it's sad to watch. there's no happy ending with a stanley cup here unless he somehow, someday many years into the future, can coach a team to that kind of greatness- and i just don't see that coming from him.

sad for the isles fans who want a fresh start, who want to be able to spend to the cap floor w/o this albatross of a contract, who want to see progress w/o fear of obvious and expected setback.... sad sad sad.

ps- that area where he is now is absolutely beautiful. really an idyllic setting to play some hockey. those are the alps between germany and switzerland. kind of like a storybook setting for the putting to pasture of rick dp. fitting somehow.


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this is chronically sad.
sad for dp- please just hang em up man. you cannot play "semi-pro" hockey, let alone nhl hockey. it's sad to watch. there's no happy ending with a stanley cup here unless he somehow, someday many years into the future, can coach a team to that kind of greatness- and i just don't see that coming from him.

sad for the isles fans who want a fresh start, who want to be able to spend to the cap floor w/o this albatross of a contract, who want to see progress w/o fear of obvious and expected setback.... sad sad sad.

ps- that area where he is now is absolutely beautiful. really an idyllic setting to play some hockey. those are the alps between germany and switzerland. kind of like a storybook setting for the putting to pasture of rick dp. fitting somehow.
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11-05-2012, 01:25 PM
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The other dif in your analogy is the office worker likely needs to work, esp if he has a lot of medical bills. DP has already made ~20M off his deal and will never need to work again in his life. Voiding his deal isn't going to create an undue hardship in his life.
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11-05-2012, 03:29 PM
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You're kidding yourself if you think Wang would ever do that to Ricky.
What about Mikhail or Brett?

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11-05-2012, 07:23 PM
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The other dif in your analogy is the office worker likely needs to work, esp if he has a lot of medical bills. DP has already made ~20M off his deal and will never need to work again in his life. Voiding his deal isn't going to create an undue hardship in his life.
So that's why so many ex players get jobs even after they retire? Even though they can "never have to work a day in their life" anymore. I'm not saying he hasn't made a lot of money but most players live within their means and probably don't save as much as they should. A chunk goes to their agent, and taxes... Not saying he isn't rich, don't get me wrong, but there are a long list of players in all sports that are bankrupt after making millions for one reason or another. DP seems like he'd be more responsible than that but i'm not going to guess like you are...

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11-05-2012, 07:42 PM
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One twisted bonus of the lockout is that Rick can't lose games for the Islanders, waste a roster spot, or rob the internal team salary cap of $4 mill while Wang backfills with insurance money. He is basically playing in far-west Bridgeport while testing out his lower extremes.

Recover or break further, as mercenary as that may sound, is about all we can hope for. Hopefully this season will be his last and he will hang them up for good. Hopefully Chuck will put his money where his mouth is and put that $4 million to real use, not just back in his pocket.

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One twisted bonus of the lockout is that Rick can't lose games for the Islanders, waste a roster spot, or rob the internal team salary cap of $4 mill while Wang backfills with insurance money. He is basically playing in far-west Bridgeport while testing out his lower extremes.

Recover or break further, as mercenary as that may sound, is about all we can hope for. Hopefully this season will be his last and he will hang them up for good. Hopefully Chuck will put his money where his mouth is and put that $4 million to real use, not just back in his pocket.
i think while wang doesnt exactly enjoy ricky's constant injuries, he appreciates the insurance covering a part of the steep fight to the cap floor. And now "they" wanna take away his ELC Bonuses! The nerve!

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nobody cares about the NHL, Hockey, and certainly not the Isles..

and even ISLES fans dont care about DP.

He is hurt?

I DONT CARE.

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What about Mikhail or Brett?
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Rick is one groin injury closer to becoming our new assistant coach (or assitant GM).

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he can be the groin coach

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correct me if i am wrong here.
Lets say Wang can convince DP to retire because of his Injury's. I think he still gets pain and it also comes off the cap no ?

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