I already keep the bad goal - for goaltenders. The NHL keeps the NHL GAA and SV%. We can see how often the goaltender is at fault per game, and per shot.
I'm leaning on the negative for Schneider on goal #2 but I dont see why Hodgson is a negative for goal #1. It was Daniel and Bieksa who both took the same player, then Daniel was too late to get to the guy who actually scored the goal.
Edit: I would lean more to Burrows getting the Minus instead of Hodgson.
That's a much better video than the highlights on the CDC.
Canucks 1 Oilers 0
Hodgson and Higgins were digging in the scrum and Hodgson found a way to pass it back to Salo.
+1 PP Salo, Hodgson
Canucks 1 Oilers 1
Hamhuis layed down to block the pass and took himself out of the play, Malholtra didn't come back to the net fast enough.
-1 SH Hamhuis, Malholtra
Canucks 1 Oilers 2
Very good tip by RNH but Malholtra could've tied his stick up to avoid that.
-1 Malholtra
Canucks 2 Oilers 2
Bit of a mess, but I'd give Burrows credit for a real effective screen in from Dubnyk.
+1 PP H. Sedin, Burrows
Canucks 2 Oilers 3
A real mess in front of the net, Hamhuis and Bieksa got outmanned but Bieksa didn't clear the net aggresively enough.
-1 SH Bieksa
Canucks 3 Oilers 3
Garbage goal, give Daniel credit for looking for the pass in front and Burrows for driving hard.
+1 Burrows, D. Sedin
Canucks 4 Oilers 3
Higgins took the puck away from the Oilers defense and Samuelsson made a nice pass to Salo.
+1 Salo, Samuelsson, Higgins
Had Malhotra collapsed there, Horcoff would've been left completely open because Hansen and Bieksa committed hard to Hall. That was basically a 4 on 4 situation since the right point man wasn't really used at all that turned into a 2 on 3. Malhotra was taking away Hall's cross ice pass to RNH before he passed to open Eberle but didn't come low enough because Horcoff was unchecked by Hansen.
Who to blame? I guess everyone? It was a pretty badly executed shorthanded play (diamond, as in the video above).
Had Malhotra collapsed there, Horcoff would've been left completely open because Hansen and Bieksa committed hard to Hall. That was basically a 4 on 4 situation since the right point man wasn't really used at all that turned into a 2 on 3. Malhotra was taking away Hall's cross ice pass to RNH before he passed to open Eberle but didn't come low enough because Horcoff was unchecked by Hansen.
Who to blame? I guess everyone? It was a pretty badly executed shorthanded play (diamond, as in the video above).
It's the slow collapsing after the Oilers had committed to passing th RNH.
Had Malhotra collapsed there, Horcoff would've been left completely open because Hansen and Bieksa committed hard to Hall. That was basically a 4 on 4 situation since the right point man wasn't really used at all that turned into a 2 on 3. Malhotra was taking away Hall's cross ice pass to RNH before he passed to open Eberle but didn't come low enough because Horcoff was unchecked by Hansen.
Who to blame? I guess everyone? It was a pretty badly executed shorthanded play (diamond, as in the video above).
LOL. I rewatched and you're right, Hansen did chase Hall, which was a breakdown.
The Canucks usually give Luongo the downlow play So Hamhuis didn't really do anything there. Luongo made the first save but someone should have been there in time to prevent the rebound. That should be Malhotra. Bieksa was the only one who played it correctly (which is usually not the case )
Stats updated. through 5 games, here is the breakdown:
Sorry, I was away for the weekend and didn't really have access to a computer to give any input... and typing all the stuff out on an iphone would not have been fun.
I'll make this thread super easy for you guyz - once Rome is back in the lineup he is at fault for every goal he's on the ice for. That's usually the expert opinion around here. You can prob blame him for some goals he's not even on the ice for too, if you're feeling lazy - nobody will notice.
Are goalies just going to have a large negative number by season's end? They can't really do anything right now that would make them get a positive rating.
Under the current format, goalies will end up having the worst ratings on the team.
Are goalies just going to have a large negative number by season's end? They can't really do anything right now that would make them get a positive rating.
Under the current format, goalies will end up having the worst ratings on the team.
Both goalies have let in 2 goals each that were goals they should have had according to our "experts".
When they have played a few more games each we'll be able to determine the:
bad goals per game
Percentage of goals that are determined bad
Bad goals per shot against
etc
Goalies shouldn't be compared with the other players. In fact, guys like Malhotra shouldn't be compared with Henrik Sedin. I debated the benefits of a "high risk, high reward" type player (ie Bieksa, Phaneuf, Ehrhoff) this summer and I'll be interested to see if the benefits outweigh the negatives.
As of now, our highest paid defenseman has been involved in more goals against than goals for. It will be interesting to see how that balances out.
The only thing that would improve the chart is if there was some way to separate the + and - in one column. When I see, for example, a +3 for Henrick, is that made up of 3+ and 0-, or 4+ and -1 ...
The only thing that would improve the chart is if there was some way to separate the + and - in one column. When I see, for example, a +3 for Henrick, is that made up of 3+ and 0-, or 4+ and -1 ...
I'd like to keep it simple, if nothing else adding different stats for everything gets a bit tedious.
I am looking forward to comparing our +/- vs say the NHL official stats at say the halfway mark.
Pass it to Bulis breaks down the goals well here for the +/-
Quote:
* Still, I can understand some of the frustration, especially after the Rangers’ first goal. While Henrik Lundqvist was gobbling up every shot, Luongo kicked out a juicy rebound off a Michael Del Zotto wrister, putting the puck right on Mike Rupp’s stick. At its most basic level, that’s a frustrating contrast. But, before you blame Luongo, consider that Rupp’s stick is unchecked because Alex Edler, who should be all over him, has to cover Del Zotto instead. Del Zotto, the trailer, would normally be Lapierre’s man, but Lapierre had to turn and chase Kris Newbury. And Newbury is streaking to the net all by his lonesome because Dan Hamhuis gets beaten entering the zone at a crawl. If Edler’s on Rupp, this puck squirts out to the wall, the Canucks take it back the other way, and the only thing we’re talking about is how Luongo saw through Edler’s screen to make the original spiffy pad save. This one’s not his fault.
* How about the second goal, which comes after Daniel Sedin and Alex Burrows blow the zone, hoping Henrik Sedin will spring them for a 2-on-1 pass? The puck never crosses the blueline. Instead, the Rangers force a turnover, and turn back the other way on what effectively becomes a 3-on-1 down low after Alex Edler gets caught napping. Luongo has no chance on Ryan McDonagh’s shot, which comes on a one-timer in the dead centre of the zone.
* Pretty tough to fault Luongo on the Rangers’ third goal too, when Kevin Bieksa makes an obscenely ill-advised pinch, allowing the Rangers to turn back the other way on yet another 3-on-1. Ruslan Fedotenko’s cross-ice pass to Brian Boyle is perfectly placed, as is the top corner of the net, which sits right where Boyle’s shot goes.
* And if you think that Luongo making a save at 3-0 was going to make a difference, you’re crazy, but let’s take a look at the Rangers’ fourth goal as well. First, Ryan McDonagh completely undresses Cody Hodgson, who gets caught about as flat-footed as an ancient dwarf. Then, Dan Hamhuis loses a battle with Marion Gaborik like the Vancouver Realtor that almost sold him that house. It’s a 2-on-0, and McDonagh takes Luongo completely out of position before feeding the puck to Gaborik for the tap-in.
Goal #1:
-1 Dan Hamhuis -> Lost his check going to the net and Lappy had to cover for him, leaving his own man.
#2:
-1 Burrows -> Henrik lost a puck battle on the wall but he had zero support from Burrows. Daniel left early as well but that's a product of the Canucks breakout. Weak side always takes off. His check was not threat.
-1 Henrik -> Lost said puck battle but that happens. He had zero support. I didn't like his effort after the puck was taken from him. A few strides and a reach with the stick.
#3:
Bieksa -1 -> Bieksa is looking very much like the KB3 of old. At least he showed some tenacity at the end and threw a hit/fight.
Unfortunately I didn't see a second of the game last night and most of the replays that I've seen on the goals only show just before the goals themselves so it's hard to break down the play and how it broke down before the part they replay.
I'd definitely add a minus to Higgins on that 4th goal for pure lack of giving a ****. Absolutely zero back pressure on the play. Tough to care late in a blowout, but if i were coaching, that would've ruffled my feathers seeing him coast back from the redline in. And that lack of back pressure certainly didn't do anybody else any favours in containing that play.
Canucks 1 - Preds 0
Bit of a jam play, goal from behind the net, D. Sedin the only who should get credit.
+1 D. Sedin Canucks 1 - Preds 1
Bad play on the riccochet of the boards by Luongo.
No - awarded to a skater Canucks 2 - Preds 1
Decent puck movement, great shot, better screen.
+1 H. Sedin, Kesler Canucks 3 - Preds 1
Very nice tip by Weise, always a good idea to put the puck towards the net.
+1 Weise, Edler Canucks 4 - Preds 1
Nice 2 on 1. Hodgson's positioning forced the defenseman to splay on the ice and not be able to control blocking Higgins pass.
+1 Higgins, Hodgson Canucks 5 - Preds 1
Very smooth puck movement, and this cannot be understated, PERFECT SHOT by Kesler.
+1 Kesler, D. Sedin
Canucks 1 - Preds 0
Bit of a jam play, goal from behind the net, D. Sedin the only who should get credit.
+1 D. Sedin Canucks 1 - Preds 1
Bad play on the riccochet of the boards by Luongo.
No - awarded to a skater Canucks 2 - Preds 1
Decent puck movement, great shot, better screen.
+1 H. Sedin, Kesler Canucks 3 - Preds 1
Very nice tip by Weise, always a good idea to put the puck towards the net.
+1 Weise, Edler Canucks 4 - Preds 1
Nice 2 on 1. Hodgson's positioning forced the defenseman to splay on the ice and not be able to control blocking Higgins pass.
+1 Higgins, Hodgson Canucks 5 - Preds 1
Very smooth puck movement, and this cannot be understated, PERFECT SHOT by Kesler.
+1 Kesler, D. Sedin
Canucks 1 -> Add Henrik. Great wraparound drew a couple defenders.
Predators 1 -> Awful Coverage by the Canucks. Three guys went after the guy on the Wall, Malhotra dropped his stick, Bieksa took no one (again), and Sturm was there but didnt tie up a stick. I hesitate to give a minus to Sturm because he was covering for the breakdown by Hansen, Bieksa and Malhotra.
Bieksa -1, Malhotra -1, Luongo -1
Canucks 1 -> Add Henrik. Great wraparound drew a couple defenders.
Predators 1 -> Awful Coverage by the Canucks. Three guys went after the guy on the Wall, Malhotra dropped his stick, Bieksa took no one (again), and Sturm was there but didnt tie up a stick. I hesitate to give a minus to Sturm because he was covering for the breakdown by Hansen, Bieksa and Malhotra.
Bieksa -1, Malhotra -1, Luongo -1
All others, I agree.
I agree with you on the Canucks first goal, but I find it hard to blame any skater for what amounts to a very lucky bounce.
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