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01-07-2004, 04:04 AM
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Bruins/Canes dealing?

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EAGLE-TRIBUNE ONLINE: Russ Conway reported on Sunday the Carolina Hurricanes are trying to obtain forwards Brian Rolston and PJ Axelsson from the Boston Bruins. Conway claims forwards "Jeff O'Neill and Jarislav Svoboda are trade bait".
I actually like Rolston. And P.J. Axelsson is a defensive specialist, but can we squeeze a 4th rounder in this deal, Boston?

If they are looking for a d-man...I'm honestly a bit tight on trading away a d-man at the moment. They are playing extremely well.

Btw, Caniacs, I pose another question: would you trade Rod Brindamour ($5M) to the Rangers for UFA after the season Alexei Kovalev ($6M)? I say you do. Kovalev just needs a change of scenery to be the dominating forward he was in Pittsburgh again. The talent on this team looks like how it was in Pitts when he left. He can come and get his ego stroked The UFA thing don't scare me because a) he would increase the goals per game situation, b) who's to know what the hell is going to happen because of the next CBA anyway c) interject some life into the fan base.

This team needs a change of style, and Brind a'Mour epitomizes are current playing style. Either take the "A" from him or trade him.


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I think that deal is terrible.

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Btw, Caniacs, I pose another question: would you trade Rod Brindamour ($5M) to the Rangers for UFA after the season Alexei Kovalev ($6M)?
No, I would not.

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Kovalev just needs a change of scenery to be the dominating forward he was in Pittsburgh again.
He's playing quite well in New York

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The talent on this team looks like how it was in Pitts when he left.
Straka, Lang, Lemieux, etc? I'm not seeing the comparison.

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a) he would increase the goals per game situation
If he only has six goals playing in New York with better linemates than he would have here, I doubt his contributions would be prolific.

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I think that deal is terrible.
How so? Don't give me the "O'Neill is the greatest" line either.

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He's playing quite well in New York.
I've watched some NYR games. He is struggling with his confidence.

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Straka, Lang, Lemieux, etc? I'm not seeing the comparison.
I wasn't making a comparison. Maybe you have been spoiled by watching great offenses over the years in Pitts, but what I noticed the final season Kovs was there is that he dominated games. Those other guys you mentioned weren't in the lineup to my knowledge (except Lang). I believe Straka and Lemieux were injured, am I right?

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If he only has six goals playing in New York with better linemates than he would have here, I doubt his contributions would be prolific.
Like I said, he needs to be the clear go-to-guy to boost his ego. You have to expect a decline when anyone goes to NYR because of the media there, the expectations there, and the other mult-millionaires there.

Maybe you aren't big on Kovalev, but I am. He's a far superior player than Brind A'Mour & O'Neill combined.

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How so? Don't give me the "O'Neill is the greatest" line either.
Not so much that I think we can do better, but if we are going to deal O'Neill (which I'm still not convinced we will) I want to see a good young player coming back our way. As far as Axelsson goes, you list him as a defensive specialist. Don't we have enough third and fourth liners as it is? We can't even play the guys we have.

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You have to expect a decline when anyone goes to NYR
I think his stats there are a bit misleading. The only thing that troubles me is the fact that he has zero powerplay goals.

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Maybe you aren't big on Kovalev, but I am. He's a far superior player than Brind A'Mour & O'Neill combined.
I'm a huge Kovalev fan. Have been since the first time I watched him play. And I'm not denying that he's far superior. I just don't think it makes any sense to deal for him.

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I have to disagree with your point of view on both. Rolston is not a good enough player? Actually, Axelsson would replace the useless-ness of Craig Adams, Ryan Bayda (send him back to Lowell!), and Svoboda (who would be in the trade). I don't see how you make the point the Canes can't use Kovalev instead of Brind a'Mour. But, that's your opinion

Btw, here's BruinsFan point of view of the rumor on O'Neill:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?threadid=41132

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Rolston is not a good enough player?
I never said that.

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I don't see how you make the point the Canes can't use Kovalev instead of Brind a'Mour.
I'd love to get a Kovalev type player. I'm just saying this deal in particular doesn't make much sense to me. For either team.

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Rolston is not a good enough player?
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I never said that.

Oh? Take a look:

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Not so much that I think we can do better, but if we are going to deal O'Neill (which I'm still not convinced we will) I want to see a good young player coming back our way.
Hehe. Btw, I never look at stats when I make opinions on a trade (unless goalies), I think of the intangibles and what I've noticed about each player's abilities. Rolston may not hit like O'Neill (no big deal anyway) or shoot like O'Neill, but he does everything else better (I'm not sure on speed, O'Neill doesn't use his anymore). Axelsson is a good player, I'd give up Svoboda (not a real prospect anyway) for that in a heart beat.

Plus, Rolston is a good American boy. That's big to me


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Oh? Take a look:
I said: Not so much that I think we can do better

That means that I think Rolston is an excellent hockey player, it's just that I don't like the deal. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

I also said: I want to see a good young player coming back our way

Brian Rolston is a soon to be 31 year old pending UFA. He is not a good young player, he is a good older player.

I never said Rolston wasn't good enough. I'm not sure what you are reading here.

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The only reason I wouldn't do the Boston deal is that Rolston is going to be a UFA after this season. Other than that, you be getting a productive winger who can also play center and is one of he best penalty killers in the NHL and a really reliable checking winger for O'Neill ... who is mired so deeply in a funk I'm not sure he'll ever get out ... and Svoboda who is a spare part at best.

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Oops, sorry about that, Koltsov71. Didn't seem clear until now.

Btw, 31 is old for a productive hockey player? I guess I'm a bit whacked out of my mind this morning, but I don't care about the impending UFA issue. If he walks, he walks. We'll have the room to sign someone else if Francis retires, O'Neill is traded for Rolston, and whatever else happens near the trade deadline (if they don't make some trades that will help them now!). I still think Rolston would like it here and would be re-signed to whatever it takes.

Btw, it's obvious Lavs is trying to get some of his guys here in Carolina. I think this rumor has his name all over this. Keeping players around and not trying to tinker with out roster only means we are willing (as fans) to continue to take the losing.

The forwards on the roster aren't cutting it, move O'Neill & Brind a'mour. That's all I want.


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Btw, 31 is old for a productive hockey player?
No, not in the big picture.

But in this situation, it's older than I'd like to see. O'Neill is only 27 years old and has been a 60+ point player for the past four years. If we are going to deal him, I'm just saying that personally I'd want to see another young guy coming back this way.

I'm not trying to speak badly of Rolston. Just something I wouldn't want to see happen.

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whurricane, careful when you take on kolstov on any penguins issues-he doesnt play around . i think the boston proposal isnt really what the canes need-though it seems more on par with oneill's true value may be, compared to what weve bandied about here recently. i wouldnt like that we give up oneill for an older pending ufa unless we signed him immediately to an extension that we can afford. i think it would be a sideways move instead of forward. i agree there is validity to any canes/bruins/nyi trade rumours due to lavi's past experiences. not only guys like rolston and pj, but guys like blake/bates/ parrish-guys who thrived under lavi for the isles and/or baby b's. any guys from his past who on the block are potential canes.
i like the kovalev proposal a lot. kolstsov knows i agree that kovy is a premier talent, and i think hes better on a team that lets him just run around doing what he wants-like pitts. they even played him on d when he got there. anywhere other than ny, people respect what he does with his creativity-and he thrives on that. i think he would be a spark for this team, no doubt-and would far surpass brindamours' contributions. the problem is-would the rangers want an old, unproductive, expensive center (maybe thats a bad question)? maybe if they are really bad on draws, i suppose. anyway, i wouldnt care about him walking away, cause thats what will probably happen to brindamour anyway, and there will probably be all sorts of free agents available with the cba. we'll probably get a better player than rod with that money.

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